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Erynn999 by Ben

Possession, Imbas & Geilt

Not a particularly long post today (at least I hope) but I did want to poke at the subject some of my friends are kicking around in their journals.

The suggestion was made by [info]caitriona_nnc over on the [info]cr_r community that imbas was a form of possession. She talked a lot about possession in Yoruba religion, and what types of possession she'd seen in various Wiccan and other Pagan groups of her acquaintance. She wondered about the relationship of possession, imbas and geilt in relation to the warrior's frenzy. I can't really speak to Yoruba possession trance or the red mist, but I can offer some thoughts on imbas and geilt.

My response is that imbas ("poetic frenzy/inspiration" or the "fire in the head" of which Amirgen speaks), if it is possession at all, is possession by an idea rather than by a deity or spirit. The feeling I've experienced is one of fast-flowing thought, almost uncontrollable. It's almost too fast to speak the ideas, and trying to write them down is very difficult, though I've sometimes been able to get the gist of most of it when it hits.

The things that have stimulated moments of imbas for me have tended to be intense intellectual conversations, usually following either some heavy reading or a lot of dream or vision work. They tend to be associated, again for me, with the resolution of lines of thought and exploration that I've been working through for a while. It's as though all the work I've done suddenly coalesces into some burning whole that floods me like liquid fire and becomes impossible to contain. I could say it feels like my head is exploding and the urge to speak or write the information down is overwhelming.

If I don't get it down or talk to someone about it, I often lose details. In that way, yes, it can be something like full possession trance -- it's so powerful and fast that when it's gone, most of it vanishes, leaving general themes and images behind. For details, I have to go to the person I've spoken to, or to my written notes. These things will sometimes trigger memories and associations that I'd lost in the rush of it all.

The imbas spreads like a web, connecting things with a clarity that I don't usually possess. Things link together in ways that make sense, but wouldn't upon first examination. It's as though the incubation phase is necessary to let those connections and linkages brew (an image from the three cauldrons work) and ferment to ripeness before they can be expressed.

Geilt ("wildness") is only peripheraly related to possession. In my mind, much of the description of the madness of Suibhne from the Buile Suibhne looks more like the symptoms of severe PTSD. Yes, some of it is associated with imbas and a certain form of poetic madness/inspiration. Certainly Suibhne's poetry and his ability to prophesy are related to imbas -- they may in fact be imbas. The fear and avoidance of other people is pure PTSD reaction. The hallucinatory aspect of it, to me, would indicate a sort of flashback phenomenon. The episode where Suibhne is pursued by the heads of animals and creatures ("demons"?) certainly has that quality to it and I think that most people who've had severe enough symptoms to be in full body flashbacks might describe the experience like that.

Actually, I tend to use parts of the Buile Suibhne as something of a model for my own reintegration, and for understanding my own issues as a disabled vet with PTSD. It's a model that suggests even people who are not "normal" by societal standards can serve an important function as seers, poets, or magicians. I may never fully integrate into the larger overculture, but I'm not sure I want to. I don't see much there that appeals to me. On the other hand, I do see some very useful things in the way I approach dreams and visions and how I handle panic, nightmares, and flashbacks.

I think that geilt is a situation of intense hyper-sensitivity to the environment, the hyperalertness of the PTSD sufferer if you will. There are aspects of "mind-reading" to the anticipation and awareness that one experiences, trying to establish safe space and determine if the people and creatures nearby are safe to deal with. The anticipation and hyperalertness make a person pay exceedingly careful attention to body language, movement, and sound. An astute observer of human or animal nature or of the environment can code these things and get a very good idea of what is a threat and what isn't -- and may give the impression of being able to read emotions, if not thoughts themselves. When one is additionally rather empathic, it only goes to strengthen the impressions.

The geilt, traditionally, might be either solitary or congregate together in the forest. Often, the tradition suggests they were vegetarians, and wore few clothes. Was this madness, or an asceticism that the geilta practiced to control their most severe symptoms? Even today, there are war veterans (largely male, statistically speaking) who suffer from PTSD who head for the woods and live out there, in cabins or tents, far from the rest of humanity in an attempt to maintain a hold on their sanity.

When one attempts to combine efforts to deal with PTSD symptoms with animist and polytheist spiritual beliefs and practices, I think that something like geilt results. The emotional stresses of PTSD can cause visionary states and situations not unlike those of classic Siberian "shamanic sickness" -- and the reintegration of the geilt's personality into a useful configuration rather than falling into madness and hopelessness that eventually spirals into suicide or death can be a transformation of shamanic proportions.

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Interesting about the geilt/PTSD connection...I have a friend I discussed this idea with a couple of years ago. About how, when someone feels that PTSD and the work s/he is doing to get through it is "getting in the way of" studies or spiritual development, perhaps it should be seen as a geilt and that doing the work to heal IS the spiritual development that person is going through at that time...not in the way of anything, but the way TO it. Wish her email was working, I'd love to send her a link to this post. *sigh*
Yeah, I talked some about this on Nemeton many years back. I'm thinking there's probably a lengthy article in the idea, to tell you the truth.

Personally, I would agree with you -- I don't think that the work of healing from PTSD "gets in the way" of one's spirituality. One must be healthy to properly pursue a spiritual path, and the healing itself is a sacred thing. To be the geilt is to be on a path of healing and the pursuit of healing visions, dream incubation, and the use of poetry as healing magic.

Certainly some aspects of PTSD (loss of focus for instance) can "get in the way" of intense study, but I also know that I did a hell of a lot of very intensive work while I was in the midst of my most agoraphobic space. Not being able to read more than a paragraph without losing focus was damned hard, but the "study" I undertook was the study of my own dreams and visionary life. There are so many levels of the idea of "study" to consider. It's not all about book work and footnotes and scholarly pursuits.

To be in geilt is to be in a world of experience. It's working through things. A path rather than a goal, as you say. I sometimes think it's also what results when someone sits seeking "poetry, madness or death" and comes away alive without the poetry ;) YMMV on that one.

Much food for thought here, in so many directions. Definitely article material. Maybe even a book ;) Damn, do I have too many book ideas or what?
Oh, I totally think you should develop this! I think it would be really helpful to a lot of people...especially CRs. Because the very issue that had come up, and gotten us discussing it was that it interfered with studying, and so many CRs, despite the fact we've now made a clear statement about mysticism being part of it, ~;) get caught up in the importance of study. Which IS important, but isn't the most important thing for all people, at all times. Sometimes going through the experience is exactly where you need to be...and maybe that's exactly where the God/desses want you to be at that particular time and it's okay to not study when it's not the right time to. Let that come when it does. I think maybe that's something that we all need to be reminded of more, whether it's because we are going through it or because we've gotten so obsessed with the study that we aren't always understanding when someone isn't able enough to be focused.
*nod nod*

There's a lot to think about here. Some folks would be more demanding about it than others, I suppose, imagining that if I'm going to speak about PTSD and healing and sacred madness and poetry and all That Stuff, that I should have some kind of degree in psychology or counseling or whatever. But I've lived this, and lived it for many years. It's exactly because I've had this experience that I think I can write about it.

John Matthews writes about Mad Myrddin and Lailoken and Suibhne, but he writes about it as "shamanism" and spirit journeying, and doesn't seem to see the wounded end of it at all, or the path and process of self-healing that lies in potential here. Then again, that's about what I'd expect from him. Being geilt doesn't make one a shaman. Being geilt makes one a wounded healer, yes, but primarily a healer of self rather than others. The idea that the geilt can return with poetry and vision and be of aid to the community is essentially a peripheral benefit. It's neither the purpose nor the focus of the geilt state, in my experience.

Being in geilt is a forced focus inward. Sometimes there is literally no energy for the outside at all. Other people in the geilt's life can be almost irrelevant, though that is a difficult and often painful aspect of the state and situation. In geilt, one is struggling with survival and reasons to live within a spiritual context -- the focus must be inward. If one isn't able to focus enough on themself to get through the crisis point, then survival itself is in question.

This said, it's good to at least try to establish and/or maintain connections with the outside world, understanding that they're secondary for the moment. But this is the heart of it -- it is only secondary for the moment. Eventually there needs to be a return to a more social aspect. Sometimes that return can be facilitated by things like group therapy. I know, for me, my lifeline was my online connection with friends. Even during the worst of my withdrawal, there were people I stayed in touch with regularly. I was never in complete isolation. There's a model there in the geilt tradition when the geilta gather in Glenn Bolcan, the glenn of the bubble (of wisdom). There's an implication there of sharing, of the geilta speaking together in their own colloquies.

Damn. Lots of stuff running around in my head. Maybe Shaman's Drum would be a place to publish something like this once it gets written. This would be more on the experiential side of the "Journal of Experiential Shamanism" rather than the theory and theraputic practice side. But, of course, one needs to see things from the inside as well as examine them in an "objective" and academic fashion.

can't stop the visions...

"The suggestion was made by caitriona_nnc over on the cr_r community that imbas was a form of possession"


I guess I should clarify that. I was brainstorming about the degree of "out of body" and "out of control" feelings that people (myself included) have had with iombas and fearg. Though I see some of these experiences with iombas, fearg and geilt fitting into that structure (of the three levels of trance that can precede possession), I don't see them as possession per se.

I usually only call full possession (fourth level) possession.

I know I haven't been totally clear about this, but I was brainstorming about how these things can overlap and flow into each other to some extent.

In most ways, iombas, fearg and geilt have a qualitative difference for me that is in a whole different territory than the deepening that leads to possession. Though I've sometimes felt up and out of my body and out of control, I'm pretty sure I've always still been present, at least as an observer, during these i, f, and g states.

"The feeling I've experienced is one of fast-flowing thought, almost uncontrollable. It's almost too fast to speak the ideas, and trying to write them down is very difficult, though I've sometimes been able to get the gist of most of it when it hits."


I very much agree with this. It hit me a few nights ago, and again the other morning. I'm still recovering. And hoping my notes will make sense when I go back to them. During the times when the words slowed down, I did some really good divination, too. Comparing it again to the three levels of trance, I'd say that the first level, of being moved and inspired, comes to me quite often and is easy to manage. But when it gets into the more intense and out of control levels, it can be physically taxing. I don't think it's the energy per se that taxes me, but more what it puts my body through (losing sleep, overworking).

I'm still not sure if I've been in geilt. If it's what I think it is, I think maybe I've specialized in it at some points in my life... (what do you think, Kym?) If so, it's been similar to how I experience iombas, but in a very out of control, can't stop laughing or thinking, or blurting out my realizations, or laughing so hard I'm howling and crying on the ground and can't stand up, sort of way. In this sense, it's like being manic. Or like some of the divine madness states I've seen in some Hindu traditions.

I have *definitely* gone through the "hide in the woods and avoid people" stuff, though. When I had my big psychic opening in adolescence - so blasted open that I was hearing the thoughts of others and couldn't shut them out, seeing spirits ALL THE TIME, couldn't shield or ground (didn't know how) - and it was driving me insane. It drove me to drink, and then into the controlled environment of the ashram for a year. And then into another ashram out in the country because being in an urban environment was still too much.

I later found out that this time coincided with a mars-pluto transit.

Then almost ten years later, near the end of the crones, when I was having all those experiences with full possession and deep trance, and sometimes getting kicked out of my body in inappropriate situations, yeah, I had to hide in the woods for awhile. In many ways I'm still hiding in the woods, though I can venture out a lot more often now, and am able to have more people in to visit. But during the worst of it, it was painful to be around people who weren't as sensitive as I. And during the worst years of my physical illness, I couldn't tolerate anyone but Paul. Couldn't even talk on the phone for the worst of it.

Yesterday and today contain a bit of a flashback to that time - inspired yet feeling brainfogged and inarticulate in the wake of the flood. And feeling inarticulate leading to feelings of shame, frustration and generalized anger. I'm having a hard time relaxing. I think I'll go outside and put my feet (or head!) in the stream or something. I feel emotionally volatile. Hopefully I can rest now that I've put a few of these thoughts down.